On this episode we talk with Pastor Donald Bell, Sr. the pastor of Covenant Blessing Fellowship in Los Angeles, California. He has unique experiences through his work in clinical traumatology. Pastor Bell pulls from his own experiences being detained by police as a young man and his extensive experience as a trauma counselor to offer a unique perspective on licensing police. Pastor Bell gives keen insight on the political and religious division in our country. When asked, “Where do we go from here?” Bell says that we need integration with wisdom and to give each other love, grace, and space, when it comes to having difficult conversations.